HomeArticlesAre LOLCats and Internet Memes Art? | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios Are LOLCats and Internet Memes Art? | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios By Frank Lundy October 23, 2019 Articles, Blog 100 Comments Tags:Advice Dog, aristotle, channel”, culture, Hume, idea, idea channel, Internet Memes, kant, Kornhaber Brown, Lolcat, LOLCats, Lonely Guy, meme, memes, mike rugnetta, Nyan Cat, PBS, pbs digital studios, Philosoraptor, pwnage, Rage Guy, the internet, Tolstoy, Trollface, viral, Warhol Related Posts Pop-up Art Studio Highlights History At Rossonian How to Draw a pumpkin #9 – Happy Drawings Drive by Press, Master Printmakers About Author admin 100 Comments Matthew Jones June 25, 2013 I dislike Kant and I'm not familiar with Hume but like Mike said beauty is a relative term. Reply Meredith Caraher June 28, 2013 I know a guy named Art… is he art? Reply nicer boii June 29, 2013 well i dont dont think that every expression of emotion is art at all …. Reply matthew taylor July 1, 2013 I have watched a ton of these, and then came back to start at the beginning. Honestly this is the "first" fully formed episode, and damn its just about the best one. LOLStoy killed me. Reply megamegatron99 July 4, 2013 just came here to see the results of the previous vid Reply Alice Zhou July 15, 2013 meme is not art, art should evoke inspiration and be thought provoking, meme only goes viral when it's funny. Art evoke a wide range of emotions and is not spread based on how funny it is. Reply GForceFGT July 15, 2013 stop glorifying internet culture so much… it's embarrassing Reply Monica Rocha July 17, 2013 what separates art from illustration is what separates art from memes. But really, art isn't a category to begin with, so fuck it. Reply jackisnotafish July 18, 2013 could you not look at the whole internet as "art" if you go along with your argument. just a thought Reply MorroWolf July 20, 2013 there are a lot of definitions for art, tolstoy's isnt absolute, check out Danto's and Marcuse's theories on art, Kant is a douche, the man was a chauvinistic idiot. In a broad sense I would say memes are art though not every attempt at a meme or painting for that matter rises to the level of art. Reply KippursMC July 22, 2013 No. Reply KippursMC July 22, 2013 And if you ever made a lol cat you should probably take a swig of bleach. Reply ConfusedGamer21 July 22, 2013 A very shitty form of art if it is one Reply Veal Marsala July 25, 2013 Yes, but the shittiest form of art in the modern world Reply Tyler July 26, 2013 it's over nine thousand! Reply waylon sherman July 28, 2013 art Reply Jeff Clayton July 29, 2013 I accept my title as artist. you can find my art on cheezburger under jeffeljefe27. Also, my memes are awful. Reply Alex Moonstone August 1, 2013 Just outside my house there is a grass field. On that grass field they have randomly placed red cubes and called them meteors. How's that for shitty art? Reply Kevan Bianco August 2, 2013 No Reply kainhighwind2 August 6, 2013 We need Mike's "FFFUUUUUUUU" face GIFed. Reply MrAcuriteOf1337 August 7, 2013 no. Reply Diwd7 August 11, 2013 those dots say DEAL WITH IT its called braille Reply coolethanps2 August 15, 2013 1:00 always makes me crack up Reply David B August 16, 2013 Great art. Reply David cairns August 18, 2013 Yes Reply Lilichi August 27, 2013 There is all sorts of art.. I used to think only beautiful works are art, but I guess the word can be used for a very wide range of things.. everything made that involves at least a bit of creativity..? in that sense, everything can be art.. I consider nature art to, in some sense.. although it was not created by humans, perhaps by god, if one believes. Reply fivewordsthatiwrote August 30, 2013 POOP YEAH Reply MsEeveeMaster September 1, 2013 ITS OVER 9000 please do a video on how that became one of the most quoted lines ever. i bet more people have heard that line than seen that scene Reply GForceFGT September 12, 2013 Everything gets called art these days so why not. Reply DRAGONAUTA StonerRocker September 20, 2013 for me art is something that is made from a lot of work and mind spiced with a lot of imagination and a load of creativity to add the "WHOA" factor Reply Connor Harrison October 1, 2013 I had to watch this video twice due to looking at all the pictures Reply Phoenix Fire October 2, 2013 It's art for anything can be art the fact that a cup is always full weather it be full of air or water does not matter. It is, has been, and will always be art. A mere statement can affect millions positively or negatively. It doesn't matter if it's physical or mental. It doesn't even matter if you care about it at all. It is art. Perhaps even in it's purest form. Reply th3giv3r October 9, 2013 Purple under-eyes here is a bona fide potsmoker. Baahhh-ng! Reply MondayMorningPress October 15, 2013 I think memes are under the umbrella of joke, and not art. Reply MissPuddings October 17, 2013 Basically it's MoMA except on the internet… Wait, same thing. Reply FartMaster69 October 17, 2013 No. They aren't even technically memes, it's just stupid people repeating the same joke over and over because other people think it's funny. That's a meme in the same way satire is ironic. Reply Mega Mawile October 20, 2013 Everything is art, its whether it is quality or not in the end that determines it. This guy pretty much is captain "Say something could be something for attention"". Reply Devin Ward October 25, 2013 I think that a whole meme is art, but a particular meme image isn't. For example, "aliens" guy would count as art, but a picture of "aliens" guy saying "I don't know; therefore aliens" is just a part of the artwork, and not art on it's own. Reply Ben Ramsey October 26, 2013 Eat crayons. Poop rainbows. GENIUS Reply Joakim Smith October 27, 2013 , z z, ,s Reply aantonides October 29, 2013 so that's what is up with that stupid penguin. Reply Tristan Phillips October 31, 2013 "Vegeta, what's his power level?" "It's… It's over eight thousand!" This is the actual number, so shove that up you meme and post it on facebook Reply Fridtjof Eikanger November 3, 2013 This video is a work of art… Reply Blazz171 November 4, 2013 when a dot counts a art this makes sense Reply daddrus November 4, 2013 I wish I could hug the internet Reply Maric November 6, 2013 why would you do ads … o0 Reply Stephen Mesko November 8, 2013 Artists abandoned the idea that art has to be pretty long ago. So no argument fro me. Reply nicoleviktoria November 16, 2013 This guy is so clever omg Reply Lynnden42 November 24, 2013 To quote an old teacher of mine "someone hung a pig in a car and let it rot for 3 days, came back, and took a picture of it hanging over a building with a crane and called it art" so if this can be construed as art, then certainly memes are most certainly art Reply Will you meet me Emily Rudd? November 30, 2013 My name is a meme: DanielLukeBarth ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh yeagh Reply hey vsauce December 4, 2013 You guys are fringing awesome!! Reply EWKification December 13, 2013 No, they are not art. It's not that complicated. If I brush my teeth, I don't call myself a dentist. If I make a sandwich, I'm not a chef. If I take a picture with my phone, I'm not a photographer. If I make a card castle, I'm not an architect. If I clap my hands, I'm not a mixed martial artist. The thing is, you actually need to be good at it to call yourself an artist. Reply sdmitch16 January 7, 2014 Can someone tell me what is art? Also, the purpose of art would be nice too. Reply Mathias Faigh Larsen January 10, 2014 If "folklore" is considered art, well then memes are art in some way – but the artists so to speak would be the one who invented (so to speak) a meme (examples: "Bad joke ell" "Lolcat" and "Confession Bear") not the one who makes a version of this meme. Reply Mikari Star January 16, 2014 Maybe they didn't start as art but later become art… Reply Alexander Loncar January 24, 2014 So… is this art too? Seems like it. Reply Coldsteak January 28, 2014 No, they're garbage. Reply Enrique Yanez February 7, 2014 I actually do, I believe, like was said in the video, that art is an expression of feeling. It takes a form that people can interpret – being something of an artist myself. If it makes you feel (unlike the squares, circles, and smudgy blotches of todays 'modern art') than it is art to me. Reply GoldenGodlyGrunt February 19, 2014 yes they are O.O Reply TimeFlies March 7, 2014 i made art?! yayyyyyyyyyyy Reply Sangheilitat117 March 15, 2014 "Anyone who's ever made a lolcat, has also made a work of art."You sir, are a fucking idiot. Reply sgt saltstick March 19, 2014 its beautyful Reply barryasswipe March 27, 2014 I think Immanuel Kant and David Hume were pretty much on the spot… Reply DevUltraa March 28, 2014 As someone who spends as much of my free time as possible either drawing or constructing various forms of music, I don't really care about the idea of "art". It seems like most of the people who I've met in my life who talk about "art" from a professional standpoint, are very biased and boring people. Reply Mitchell McGill April 14, 2014 What is the difference between the performance of emotion and the true expression of emotion? Reply Frank April 14, 2014 This is just offensive. Reply stephen terry May 30, 2014 holy crap im an artist! WORSHIP ME! WORSHIP MEEEEEEE! Reply Targa7W November 19, 2014 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa NIHILISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow so much negativity man, this post is art, why, because I say so. And Hume and Kant are being elitist douches, beauty = art, please is Picaso's Guernica in anyway beautiful, no. Is it doing the job of being art total yes. Hume and Kant might have some smart stuff to say in their fields, but they evidently aren't smart enough to not talk rubbish about stuff they're smart enough to not talk about. I refer you back to my opening statement. Reply Ruka Erika December 16, 2014 Question: is there anything that can't be defined as art ? Reply omer dassa December 24, 2014 well, meme are language. you can argue that a meme is a work of art in the same way this comment is.technically- true. fundamentally- not really. Reply CAP198462 January 22, 2015 There's a great British philosopher that's missing, Jeremy Clarkson. He said "For a thing to be art, it must have no purpose other than itself." Therefore, an Internet meme which is an also an argument is not art. The Mona Lisa is art because it does nothing except hang on a wall, it doesn't advertise a product, or obviously argue a point. Reply C.R. Perkins February 6, 2015 Me being an actual artist I can not agree. Reply Rby Wpn March 17, 2015 Of course is art! It's not cience. Reply Kuriiro April 6, 2015 I heard the Tetris theme an instantly ignored everything else. Reply Mr. Jones Art April 10, 2015 Shared this with my high school drawing classes in the wake of the "Pepe the Frog on Ebay" news. Much discussion centered around the idea of of who gets to qualify something as art. Does the creator get to say, "This is some art! It's good!" Does this stand even if no one agrees? What about the opposite: if the creator feels they made something inferior (as in, a terrible painting), but others find meaning in it, is it art? Is it the connection with another that makes it meaningful, or can art be truly created & appreciated by oneself? How much say does the public have? Another interesting point brought up is the value of art. If a product is too abundant it seems to have less value (or is, at least, taken for granted). With meme culture, much is stagnant, recycled, or barely original. Anything new, funny, and uniquely clever [can be] quickly shared until it winds up old hack like all the rest. The "shelf life" of an individual meme is almost non-existent, but the good ones quickly become the architecture for future memes.Lastly, one student brought up the idea that an individual meme …might… be art (or at least BAD art), whereas memes, as a whole, may be more of an artistic process.Kind of like how there's SCULPTURE – the process – and there's, Ming vases, Rodan statues, and gift shop coffee mugs – all types of sculpture. Reply gartman222 May 29, 2015 watching this 3 years later, its a lot harder to watch with the outdated memes. Reply CubedPotatoesHD July 24, 2015 the pictures with text are image macros, not memes. However an image macro can be a meme. Reply Tina M Neely November 24, 2015 yes. Reply RH Cannon December 13, 2015 memes would be a form of low art or art that conveys a message. I view it as digital graffiti (another misunderstood art form). this week anonymous held trolling day, I personally produced over 50 anti daesh memes and posted them directly on the pages of daesh(isis) soldiers. My art just became propaganda thus illustrating how the meme captures the zeitgeist of our time….long story short of an artist says its art its art….. do you even dada, bro?check out my work on twitter@cananon Reply 5StarGames We Make Games, You Play Them January 12, 2016 I used to be called art like you, until i took an arrow to the knee. Reply Abby Kurtz February 16, 2016 What? No Pacman metaphors? ;D Reply DanniGoesViral February 29, 2016 So what you're telling me is… sex can be art? Reply Alice Kremers March 2, 2016 Y U NO NOT MAKIN THIS VIDEO Reply Abdul Mudassir Gaffari Mohammed March 27, 2016 I would say that memes do count as art, but the lack of beauty means that it is bad art. Reply Idea of the Day April 9, 2016 I think the real key to being a Meme Artist isn't just applying a cool sentence to an image we've seen online a thousand times, but to the people who originally found or created the images that inspired them to see their potential. There are millions of Grumpy Cat Memes out there, but the first person who realized she looked "grumpy" and posted the first Meme saying so is a million times more of an artist who creates one today. The same is true for over 99.99% of the Memes we see online. Most not only use the same exact photos, but their captions are only marginally different. Reply thatthinker July 15, 2016 I was really happy to be told that I made art, but then I remembered all my art projects from school Reply Dogbone tv October 4, 2016 AristLOLtle Reply TheEqui Nox December 31, 2016 Fark! Now I have to listen to Nyan Cat! Reply Eli Berdinner January 6, 2017 Memes are folklore/folk art/folk performance Reply Yoshi Kant January 13, 2017 I had always thought internet memes as the new age art. I really enjoy looking at memes the same way someone might enjoy frequenting an art gallery Reply eaglepies January 22, 2017 Yeah R G Collingwood got it right Reply MrQuidestveritas March 11, 2017 Gombrich is the opening paragraph of his book 'the story of art' says 'there is no such thing as art, only the Artist' pointing out that Art is something that is indivisible from the artist. So if the work could be exactly produced by someone else, it may be 'craft' like a well made chair or a cup of coffee or even a pile of bricks, it isn't art. Even if it is displayed in an art gallery and bought and sold in an art shop. The latin word Ars that art is derrived from means skill. while clever idea make take creativity and inginuety, and be conceptually genius, it is still not art. What is art is the skilled use of a medium conveying an experience that is identifiable and unique to an individual who made it intdnsionally as art.. Internet clip art with a slogan typed on are hardly this. The problem is to call everythkng 'art' in an attempt to give it more value, or the person making it an 'artist' thus giving them value then the term 'Art' looses its meaning and power. Everyone who presses a button on their phone then becomes a photographer making 'art' along with every person who sticks glitter on the card they just made for thier grandma. Long ago the title 'gentleman' meant something specific about the persons ownership of land. Now, at least in the UK , its main use is a word for the mens bathroom, and a vague way of describing politeness. Artist and art is suffering a sililar yet more petentious death. Lets try to save the term for a des ription of something deeply worth saving done by brave souls with who res ue us from our mundane blindness. Reply nismo510 May 19, 2017 I even think those cool ASCII comments are art! Reply JDoc May 20, 2017 I come from the future….We are turning into insect-like beings…The Hive-Mind is everywhere and the temptation to stay logged in directly in your mind irresistible… The Memes have won. Reply plumear July 22, 2017 watching old idea channel videos…. i love that LOLstoy quote Reply h.p thing November 23, 2017 memes are art and king Reply Rigatonia May 14, 2018 Are contemporary memes metamodernist comedy? Reply rpf2 June 20, 2018 The EU is going to out law memes, to me they are art in it's most flamboyant and thought -provoking way. stirring emotions over time they frequently change grow and come to full bloom and die off only to be reborn anew almost as the flowers do in your garden . Come take a new look at this art before it is put on the bond fire . Reply mickeynotmouse February 1, 2019 The most outdated idea channel video lmao Reply Luis Hinojosa March 31, 2019 These memes aged terribly Reply Add a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment:*Name:* Email Address:* Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.